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Post  Bunvendor on Mon Sep 19, 2011 10:24 pm

Hey everyone!!
First things first I'm new so hey all! Very excited to join the community, I do personally think this site is miles better than the POTO forum.
And now down to the business, I am a connoisseur of stage used props and I am most interested (okay, obsessed) in the masks and the red death. Of course if anyone was prepared to sell anything, especially masks and red death, then please send me a message as I would love some props as I have none, but please post any props you have on here, not necessarily for sale but out of interest. Props are very interesting to here about, and ideally see, so please come forward with your props! Another thing, there was a guy on ebay who sold a Peter Karrie's double mask, a Peter Karrie Red Death Mask and the masquerade man/woman mask all from the 2000 UK tour, I believe his ebay name was stage_starr. If he is on here or anyone knows how to contact him, please say as I would love to make contact.
And finally, I don't know how this keeper thing works, but I would like:
Keeper of- Mark McKerracher's crazy fire cane work in wandering child
Sofia Escobar's beautiful voice
JOJ's MOTN and PONR
London production
The masks of the London production

Hope to have started a good thread,
thanks!
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Post  Raphael on Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:25 am

Welcome to Deserted Phans, thephanfullerton! We're always happy to have new members join us here Very Happy

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Post  ravnquest1 on Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:47 am

If by "the masks" you mean the Phantom's masks, those are very hard to come by. The US tour used to lock them up every night after the show, so unless you played the Phantom the odds of you having one are slim- and I don't even know if the actors get to keep them.

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Post  Devon on Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:37 pm

thephanfullerton wrote:Hey everyone!!
First things first I'm new so hey all! Very excited to join the community, I do personally think this site is miles better than the POTO forum.
And now down to the business, I am a connoisseur of stage used props and I am most interested (okay, obsessed) in the masks and the red death. Of course if anyone was prepared to sell anything, especially masks and red death, then please send me a message as I would love some props as I have none, but please post any props you have on here, not necessarily for sale but out of interest. Props are very interesting to here about, and ideally see, so please come forward with your props! Another thing, there was a guy on ebay who sold a Peter Karrie's double mask, a Peter Karrie Red Death Mask and the masquerade man/woman mask all from the 2000 UK tour, I believe his ebay name was stage_starr. If he is on here or anyone knows how to contact him, please say as I would love to make contact.
And finally, I don't know how this keeper thing works, but I would like:
Keeper of- Mark McKerracher's crazy fire cane work in wandering child
Sofia Escobar's beautiful voice
JOJ's MOTN and PONR
London production
The masks of the London production

Hope to have started a good thread,
thanks!
thephanfullerton


Welcome to the forum, I think you will like it here...the people are nice and there is always something interesting to talk about. :-) I'm not sure how to contact this seller on Ebay but do remember it being listed. The best advice I have for you is to be patient (I know, it's hard!!) and check Ebay listings constantly!! I have seen a couple authentic Phantom masks pop up on UK's Ebay also. Good luck and I hope you are able to add these to your collection someday!! :-)

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Post  MasqPhan on Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:21 pm

ravnquest1 wrote:If by "the masks" you mean the Phantom's masks, those are very hard to come by. The US tour used to lock them up every night after the show, so unless you played the Phantom the odds of you having one are slim- and I don't even know if the actors get to keep them.

The masks are rare for sure. I don't know if all principal Phantoms keep their masks but I know some keep theirs. Peter Karrie definitely still has his. His saying is "Have mask, will travel". Colm Wilkinson said in a recent interview that he kept his..although he's not sure where it went to. Shocked
They were both early Phantom so I wonder if newer ones like TMG were able to keep theirs. Hope so!

phanfullerton - As with what others have said, I hope you enjoy it here. It's a great bunch of fans and we tend to get along very well. Welcome!

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Post  Paula74 on Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:02 am

Also, sometimes the masks are offered during the annual Broadway Cares grand auction. Not every year, but I've definitely seen it happen...for example, the mask that Howard wore for the record-breaking performance in New York was auctioned that way.

It's once in a blue moon...but definitely another possibility to watch for.

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Post  SenorSwanky on Thu Sep 22, 2011 5:59 am

I wish RUG would just sell replicas of the various mask designs. Do you realize how much money they'd make off that?

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Post  phantomfett on Thu Sep 22, 2011 7:55 pm

Hello!

Welcome to the forum! Make sure you go through the costumes thread for pics of props/masks. There are some pics of things in there. Good luck with your quest! Very Happy

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Post  Bunvendor on Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:19 pm

phantomfett wrote:Hello!

Welcome to the forum! Make sure you go through the costumes thread for pics of props/masks. There are some pics of things in there. Good luck with your quest! Very Happy

Hey all! Thanks all for the welcomes!!!
Out of interest phantomfett, the masks you keep with the hats, like the wandering child hat mask, are they real or are they good replicas? And please everyone, post your props! And I don't mean for sale, I just mean out of intrest, for people to see!
And does anyone know if the Timmons still have props/costumes left as they were selling them some time ago, and I would be very interested, and I have tried contacting them, but haven't heard anything yet.
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Post  Devon on Sat Sep 24, 2011 2:22 am

thephanfullerton wrote:
phantomfett wrote:Hello!

Welcome to the forum! Make sure you go through the costumes thread for pics of props/masks. There are some pics of things in there. Good luck with your quest! Very Happy

Hey all! Thanks all for the welcomes!!!
Out of interest phantomfett, the masks you keep with the hats, like the wandering child hat mask, are they real or are they good replicas? And please everyone, post your props! And I don't mean for sale, I just mean out of intrest, for people to see!
And does anyone know if the Timmons still have props/costumes left as they were selling them some time ago, and I would be very interested, and I have tried contacting them, but haven't heard anything yet.
Kind Regards,
OG

Hey there,

I own two props from the Broadway POTO collection, a chair and wedding bouquet that Christine uses in the final lair scene. I have pictures posted on my website here if you are interested: http://devonsdomain.yolasite.com/misc-poto-memorabilia.php

Also regarding the Timmons, I have contacted Jeff and Rebecca before and they said their items have been sold. But hey, just keep trying to get in touch with them! I know they are busy busy people but I'm sure they will get back to you. :-)

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Post  phantomfett on Sat Sep 24, 2011 12:04 pm

A chair....that is the only one of those I've seen in the hands of a fan. Nice score!

The masks are real. Ebay has been kind.

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Post  Devon on Sat Sep 24, 2011 12:07 pm

phantomfett wrote:A chair....that is the only one of those I've seen in the hands of a fan. Nice score!

The masks are real. Ebay has been kind.


Thank you phantomfett! I feel very lucky I was able to nab that on Ebay! I think I won it back in 2008 actually. Probably my most prized Phantom possession!

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Post  Cape Twirl of Doom on Sun Sep 25, 2011 6:34 am

phantomfett wrote:A chair....that is the only one of those I've seen in the hands of a fan. Nice score!

In case anyone is interested, there will be one more of those chairs for sale tomorrow at the flea market. I didn't catch what the price for that item would be, I would guess not cheap, but if someone is going and would like me to hold it for them...

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Post  phantomfett on Sun Sep 25, 2011 2:31 pm

If you have any Red Death or other Phantom costume pieces, please hold them for my agent. Of course, Jeff might want those items too.... Very Happy

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Post  Devon on Sun Sep 25, 2011 2:37 pm

Cape Twirl of Doom wrote:
phantomfett wrote:A chair....that is the only one of those I've seen in the hands of a fan. Nice score!

In case anyone is interested, there will be one more of those chairs for sale tomorrow at the flea market. I didn't catch what the price for that item would be, I would guess not cheap, but if someone is going and would like me to hold it for them...


If you see Christine's wig, let me know...I'm interested!!

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Post  Raphael on Sun Sep 25, 2011 6:14 pm

Cape Twirl of Doom wrote:
phantomfett wrote:A chair....that is the only one of those I've seen in the hands of a fan. Nice score!

In case anyone is interested, there will be one more of those chairs for sale tomorrow at the flea market. I didn't catch what the price for that item would be, I would guess not cheap, but if someone is going and would like me to hold it for them...
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Post  Bunvendor on Sun Sep 25, 2011 6:46 pm

phantomfett wrote:A chair....that is the only one of those I've seen in the hands of a fan. Nice score!

The masks are real. Ebay has been kind.

Oh my god PHANTOMFETT!! Its like you own the whole broadway production! Out of interest, which masks are whos, and is it possible to see close up pictures of each? Hope I am not being too nosey, just obsessive!!!

also devon, I marvel at the awsomeness of your props!, which christine held the final bouquet?

Regards to all,
Keep the props coming people, I wanna see some chandeliers, in fact the toronto one is on the internet, not for sale of course!
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Post  phantomfett on Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:10 pm

I can appreciate obsessive, but unfortunately I don't have any closer up pics that I can provide. The masks had initials in them, but they were covered over with marker. Sorry.

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Post  Bunvendor on Sun Sep 25, 2011 8:14 pm

phantomfett wrote:I can appreciate obsessive, but unfortunately I don't have any closer up pics that I can provide. The masks had initials in them, but they were covered over with marker. Sorry.
thats a shame, still awesome though!!! The wandering child hat mask looks very panaro to me. Remember, if you were ever to sell any, you know who to message!

In other news, a recent lead has arisen to me involving a possible current JOJ mask...
king regards to all,
wish I could get to the flea market but I'm in england, I would be very interested in the phantom's costumes and masks >Sad
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Post  Bunvendor on Sun Sep 25, 2011 8:35 pm

Anyone know what happened to various red death costumes, eg: timothy nolan, he had an awsome suit!
any ideas?
ps: Anyone have more pictures of Mark Mckerracher as phantom apart from the 2 on his site and that other one, and does anyone have pictures of all the english red deaths (or most) as I need more English red death pictures, and also, I think they should bring back the original RD jaw in London, I don't like the broken look so much,
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Post  phantomfett on Sun Sep 25, 2011 8:53 pm

The American suits are in storage.

Why do you need pics of every English RD? The jaw on the masks hasn't changed, to my knowledge. How they fit the actors varies from person to person.

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Post  Bunvendor on Sun Sep 25, 2011 9:07 pm

phantomfett wrote:The American suits are in storage.

Why do you need pics of every English RD? The jaw on the masks hasn't changed, to my knowledge. How they fit the actors varies from person to person.
the current london one has a sort of broken jaw and is permanently open, just opening more each time, and I prefer the classics. I have found a few of the london red deaths,and I am ttrying to make a little sort of archive of some of my favourite costumes, but there are many I have not found, I think they are these: Willets, Karrie, Freeman, McKerracher, Sterling, Davies, JOJ (original), Carpenter, Shannon.
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Post  phantomfett on Sun Sep 25, 2011 9:12 pm

I'm 99% sure that it's the same style mask. It just fits people differently. I've got one of the English RD masks and it looks very much like both the current and older ones....

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Post  Bunvendor on Sun Sep 25, 2011 9:22 pm

phantomfett wrote:I'm 99% sure that it's the same style mask. It just fits people differently. I've got one of the English RD masks and it looks very much like both the current and older ones....
I would tend to agree, but the original JOJ one fitted properly like you Peter Karrie one, and the new one looked very different when I saw it in london.

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Post  operafantomet on Sun Sep 25, 2011 9:52 pm

phantomfett wrote:I'm 99% sure that it's the same style mask. It just fits people differently. I've got one of the English RD masks and it looks very much like both the current and older ones....
There have actually been issues with the Red Death mask(s) in London in recent years. Why I don't know. But the mask(s) has had a gaping mouth and apparently the jaw has not been able to move when the Phantom is singing. It looks silly. Think this, only more gaping, and not moving though the Phantom is singing (year playback, but we're not supposed to know that):



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Post  Bunvendor on Sun Sep 25, 2011 9:57 pm

it is a real shame as London has always had the best red deaths in my opinion and the new ones look wrong, I wonder if Scott Davies' one is the same

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Post  Phantom on a Budget on Mon Sep 26, 2011 3:28 am

I would think a gaping jaw like you describe would be a relatively simple fix by tightening or replacing the elastic. Shame if that hasn't been done.

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Post  Devon on Mon Sep 26, 2011 5:05 am

thephanfullerton wrote:
phantomfett wrote:A chair....that is the only one of those I've seen in the hands of a fan. Nice score!

The masks are real. Ebay has been kind.

Oh my god PHANTOMFETT!! Its like you own the whole broadway production! Out of interest, which masks are whos, and is it possible to see close up pictures of each? Hope I am not being too nosey, just obsessive!!!

also devon, I marvel at the awsomeness of your props!, which christine held the final bouquet?

Regards to all,
Keep the props coming people, I wanna see some chandeliers, in fact the toronto one is on the internet, not for sale of course!
OG

I'm not sure who held the bouquet as I'm not totally sure what year this prop is from. But if anyone knows let me know! ;-)

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Post  phantomfett on Mon Sep 26, 2011 7:07 am

There's a chin cup inside of the jaw on the UK masks. If you put the cup under your chin, it fits like the wide open version that doesn't move. If the chin is seated properly, it will move as advertised and the jaw will close. Things that can affect this are jaw length, face shape, etc....keep in mind that the RD masks are not generally custom fitted, especially when the masks are so dang expensive. I guarantee you that the jaw issue is a very simple fix.

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Post  operafantomet on Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:34 am

Yeah, why they allow the West End Red Death mask to be as it is (I think it's still gaping). The mouth moves somewhat, but the starting position is still a big grin, so you barely see it. I'm tempted to think it's a construction flaw with the newest mask, and that they just don't think the detail important enough to make a new mask. I don't know if it's fixed now, but it wasn't when I saw it back in December 2009. By then it had been like that for some years. Very, very strange.

Anyway... I know some fans scored cool stuff at the Broadway flea market. Including a Don Juan goblet and an apron from the Il Muto ballet costumes! I am so jealous!

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