Re: Love Never Dies - all views allowed

Phantom on a Budget Sun Feb 21, 2010 9:11 pm

Madame Giry wrote:
LoveShouldDie wrote:

https://facebook.com/luvshoulddie

http://twitter.com/loveshoulddie

Okay, no.

Not liking the show, disagreeing with the idea of it, and disliking the music in it, that's one thing. But you have no right to issue threatening-like letters to individual members of the cast. I understand that it's just a parallel to the Leroux note to Carlotta, but it still leaves a very bad taste in my mouth, and indeed makes all of us who are opposed to the show look like irrational fanatics. As much as we may disagree with these actors' career choices, we have no right to tell them what they can and cannot, should and should not do. This is especially true considering the fact that Love Should Die is now on the media radar. It doesn't do at all for the cause to be undermined by what would appear to be personal threats.

Bad form, I say.

~Madame~

Agreed, Madame. I am entirely unsurprised by this, and extremely disappointed. LND is the worst idea ever conceived, yes, but going along and making threats (however cute and harmless they might seem at the time) will get the fandom NOWHERE. It is extremely detrimental to the message those who oppose the sequel are trying to send. Threatening real people is crossing the line. That person, and others who see that message, have no idea into the sarcasm that image might have been created with. I get the reference, and shared between a fan or two, privately, it's worth a chuckle. But now it's out on the Internet for ALL to see. As Madame said, LND is out there in the media now, and this is entirely the wrong sort of attention the anti-sequel crowd needs. I can't wait to see the "Angry Fans Threaten Actress" headlines in the future. It makes the rest of us fans look unstable. So, thanks.

I already see the fallout of this happening between certain fans, so that won't be a surprise to me either. Be annoyed at my opinion, go and rant and rave on other sites about the mean turncoat fans, I don't care. I don't support LND, but I don't condone this sort of behavior either.

LadyCDaae Sun Feb 21, 2010 9:22 pm

In all fairness, I don't think this was intended as a threat to Sierra Boggess, but a reference to the fact that she did miss Saturday's dress rehearsal due to illness (typically gushing Daily Mail article here). It does come off as mean-spirited and could all too easily be taken as a genuine threat out of context, though.

~LCD

starryeyed Sun Feb 21, 2010 9:25 pm

Agreed, I don't support this latest note in any shape or form. Sorry.

Phantom on a Budget Sun Feb 21, 2010 9:35 pm

LadyCDaae wrote:In all fairness, I don't think this was intended as a threat to Sierra Boggess, but a reference to the fact that she did miss Saturday's dress rehearsal due to illness (typically gushing Daily Mail article here). It does come off as mean-spirited and could all too easily be taken as a genuine threat out of context, though.

~LCD

I'm sure it was intended as a funny ha-ha, but to the people out there in media land with no understanding of the history of POTO (back to Leroux), this looks bad. It's a thinly veiled reference that 98% of people on the Internetz will not get, and will most likely be taken out of context and seen as a legitimate threat. Expecting anyone outside the POTO community (and many in the POTO community, for that matter) to understand that is given them way too much credit.

LadyCDaae Sun Feb 21, 2010 9:47 pm

Phantom on a Budget wrote:
I'm sure it was intended as a funny ha-ha, but to the people out there in media land with no understanding of the history of POTO (back to Leroux), this looks bad. It's a thinly veiled reference that 98% of people on the Internetz will not get, and will most likely be taken out of context and seen as a legitimate threat. Expecting anyone outside the POTO community (and many in the POTO community, for that matter) to understand that is given them way too much credit.

Agreed. Let's not give the folks who would paint the anti-sequel crowd with the "crazy fans" brush any ammo.

~LCD

Madame Giry Sun Feb 21, 2010 10:11 pm

LadyCDaae wrote:In all fairness, I don't think this was intended as a threat to Sierra Boggess, but a reference to the fact that she did miss Saturday's dress rehearsal due to illness (typically gushing Daily Mail article here). It does come off as mean-spirited and could all too easily be taken as a genuine threat out of context, though.

~LCD

Even if it was a joke only based on Sierra's unexpected illness, it hardly improves the situation. Instead of just being seen as a threatening message, now it also seems like a callous suggestion that Sierra had it coming, and deserved her illness, by being in LND. Unacceptable.

~Madame~

**Raphael** Sun Feb 21, 2010 10:22 pm

LSD has posted a retraction on their Facebook page.

Now who's up for participating in a worldwide playback of the OLC during LND's opening night? Smile

R.

starryeyed Sun Feb 21, 2010 10:27 pm

I don't want to speculate but somehow I think LSD is one of us, okay I know they have an LSD account on here but I somehow think they are someone else who has a "real" account on here if you know what I mean?

I don't want to out anyone, but it has been playing on my mind for a while, they must be known, even if not here, they must be on some forum. And if they read what we have said (which they clearly have) I just want to say that it wasn't against them as a person, just the way it was said. This is a random post, I just feel sort of bad on reflection and hope they didn't take it to heart. Which I am sure they didn't anyway...

Madame Giry Sun Feb 21, 2010 10:29 pm

Raphael wrote:LSD has posted a retraction on their Facebook page.

Now who's up for participating in a worldwide playback of the OLC during LND's opening night?

R.

Glad to hear it!

*rummages for OLC* Be right there with you, Raph Wink

~Madame~

phantomphan1992 Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:14 pm

Madame Giry wrote:
Raphael wrote:LSD has posted a retraction on their Facebook page.

Now who's up for participating in a worldwide playback of the OLC during LND's opening night?

R.

Glad to hear it!

*rummages for OLC* Be right there with you, Raph

~Madame~

I'm on board!

ML6 Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:39 pm

I'm glad LSD issued out a 'speech' when it came to that letter. I didn't find it all so 'ugh', mainly because I knew they were using the scene where Carlotta was threatened by the Phantom. But I agree, other people wouldn't have known. I still support them and I find them wonderfully up to date with their information. And the people really nice.

As for the OLC listening party worldwide, that sounds freakin awesome.

IamErik771 Mon Feb 22, 2010 5:45 am

ML6 wrote:I'm glad LSD issued out a 'speech' when it came to that letter. I didn't find it all so 'ugh', mainly because I knew they were using the scene where Carlotta was threatened by the Phantom. But I agree, other people wouldn't have known. I still support them and I find them wonderfully up to date with their information. And the people really nice.

Agreed on all counts -- I didn't interpret it as anything that was intentionally malicious, but certainly, others who didn't recognize the quote might have taken it differently. So I'm glad they posted a retraction before things could get out of hand.

Raphael wrote:Now who's up for participating in a worldwide playback of the OLC during LND's opening night?

R.

Sounds awesome! Except, er... *takes out Two-Face's coin to choose between the OLC and OCC, but can't decide which would be the "evil" side* Aw, heck, I'll listen to 'em both. Laughing

LadyCDaae Mon Feb 22, 2010 2:38 pm

March 9...that's what, a Tuesday? Yeah, I might be able to swing that.

~LCD

EarlFan Mon Feb 22, 2010 4:14 pm

Raphael wrote:

Now who's up for participating in a worldwide playback of the OLC during LND's opening night?

R.

Count me in cheers

Paula74 Mon Feb 22, 2010 5:29 pm

Count me in, too...though I might not be able to find my OLCR in time and will probably end up playing the Swedish version.

**MasqPhan** Mon Feb 22, 2010 5:41 pm

Raphael wrote:Now who's up for participating in a worldwide playback of the OLC during LND's opening night?

R.

I'm definitely up to joining in.

Phantomlove Mon Feb 22, 2010 7:48 pm

I just listened to the clips from the LND recording on German Amazon. Quick review:

Poor, poor Raoul, what are they doing to you? It ain't right!

Gustave sounds like a girl. I thought he was a girl first.

I don't like how Sierra holds back, it reminds me of Emmy.

The Beauty Underneath is just plain scary.

Lot's of Woman in White in there. At one time I could have sworn I heard Ann Caterick and at another time it sounded just like that mystery figure on the railroad who Mr Hartright bumps into at the beginning of WIW.

Meg's character seems quite odd, it doesn't feel right that she fancies the Phantom. Not to mention her creepiness at the end of the show.

If they are going to give Mme Giry an accent, why not try to give her the right one? She sounded German rather than French in these clips.

I kinda liked the short clip of "The Aerie".

operafantomet Mon Feb 22, 2010 8:04 pm

Phantomlove wrote:
Meg's character seems quite odd, it doesn't feel right that she fancies the Phantom. Not to mention her creepiness at the end of the show.

I pondered about this... throughtout the years there's been many suggesting that the Phantom is Meg's father. Could the LND story indicate a sort of sibling jealousy rather than Meg fancying the Phantom?

(not that I'm thrilled by either alternatives....)

Phantomlove Mon Feb 22, 2010 8:08 pm

Could be, but when Meg sang that she would do it/sing it only for him, it didn't exactly sound like she was singing to daddy. But you never know, maybe she has felt neglected all her life and her goal is to be loved by daddy and instead comes a son, by Christine no less?

HerMajesty Mon Feb 22, 2010 9:38 pm

Someone on WOS has said it's the characters from Phantom at the pace of Woman in White, and that they wish, apert from a few highlights, that it wasn't so boring.

As we thought then, lol

Amyable_Nature Mon Feb 22, 2010 10:56 pm

I just heard a clip of Heaven by the Sea...sounds like something out of a straight to DVD Disney sequel. I gagged.

ETA: Since when did Raoul become Sir Percival Glyde?! Who let a 14 year old fangirl write the plot of this story?
I know it's immature to say, but I could see this sequel ruining the Phandom for me entirely. It breaks my heart Sad

Paula74 Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:15 pm

Amyable_Nature wrote:IWho let a 14 year old fangirl write the plot of this story?

I've seen 14-year old fangirls write better fanfics that this.

Anyhow, I just read a bunch of spoilers on another forum and, well, I'm utterly disgusted.

Cape Twirl of Doom Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:16 pm

OH man. I just read a description of the ending on another site and holy *beep* it's awful. Oh boy. Every single character from the original gets completely screwed over.

justin-from-barbados Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:21 pm

hey, share some links

Paula74 Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:25 pm

justin-from-barbados wrote:hey, share some links

OK, but you've been warned...

Spoiler posts

Cape Twirl of Doom Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:26 pm

Here you go:
http://www.whatsonstage.com/board/index.php?showtopic=16096

Post #9 has the end spoiler. *shudder*

phantomphan1992 Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:26 pm

Paula74 wrote:
justin-from-barbados wrote:hey, share some links

OK, but you've been warned...

Spoiler posts

I actually laughed out loud. It's the only thing I can do to keep from crying uncontrollably.

Cape Twirl of Doom Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:49 pm

At least people are saying the makeup is the same! Hahaha.
There's a more detailed review on the WOS site now.

Hey maybe it'll get such a critical drubbing it won't open here? Ah one can only hope...

Ahahaha!! Just read this nugget of info.

Spoiler:

ML6 Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:52 pm

Oh my god, ... well ladies and gents, we pretty much predicted the whole musical. Congrats to us.

Let's hope it closes by the end of this year.

Madame Giry Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:54 pm

*reads the spoilers*

I have no words... at least not ones that I could post on this board without invoking censors.

What a *&^%ing sorry state of affairs.

~Madame~

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