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Post  operafantomet on Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:05 am

Major updates have been done in the POTO design galleries:

Especially on Carlotta:
http://potocostumes.webs.com/hannibal/elissacarlotta.html
http://potocostumes.webs.com/notes/carlottabw.html
http://potocostumes.webs.com/ilmuto/countess.html
http://potocostumes.webs.com/notes/carlottared.html

But also others:
http://potocostumes.webs.com/ilmuto/fops.html
http://potocostumes.webs.com/masquerade/balletfish.html
http://potocostumes.webs.com/donjuan/donnas.html

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Post  StrangerThanUDreamt on Thu Jan 19, 2012 3:01 am

Just curious, and dont phlame me lol; But has anyone seen a Phantom ala Love Never Dies costume done? Particularly I'd like to do his look in "beneath a moonless sky"

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Post  operafantomet on Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:30 am

StrangerThanUDreamt wrote:Just curious, and dont phlame me lol; But has anyone seen a Phantom ala Love Never Dies costume done? Particularly I'd like to do his look in "beneath a moonless sky"
I know a girl is working on - or planned to recreate - Fleck's costume, but I haven't seen any other costume replicas from LND.

I went through my costume closet yesterday. So much unfinished stuff!

*The "Think of Me" scarf is only halfway painted and need fringes.

*The Triton costume needs stars and a belt. And golden wrist bands.

*The Aminta shawl needs embroidery. Lots of it.

*Wishing dress needs tons of bead embroidery on collar, cuffs and faux vest.

*The Wishing dress also needs a proper bustle, a modesty panel and minor decorations.

*The dressing gown needs new lace cuffs. I removed the others long ago, and kinda forgot about it...


After THAT is done I want to make loads of new things... A bodice for the authentic Star Princess costume from Hamburg... The Sylvian Glade costume... The Triange Girl!

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Post  AlwaysChristine on Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:04 pm

So here my wedding dress:
http://s1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj588/Kathy1979/

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Post  Devon on Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:53 am

SweetChristine wrote:So here my wedding dress:
http://s1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj588/Kathy1979/


LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's beautiful. :-)

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Post  AlwaysChristine on Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:25 am

Devon wrote:
SweetChristine wrote:So here my wedding dress:
http://s1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj588/Kathy1979/


LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's beautiful. :-)

Thank you so much!!!! Very Happy I love it!

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Post  operafantomet on Sat Jan 21, 2012 10:02 pm

Your wedding dress is gorgeous! Thanks for sharing all those pictures. I love seeing it from different angles.

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Post  AlwaysChristine on Sat Jan 21, 2012 10:17 pm

operafantomet wrote:Your wedding dress is gorgeous! Thanks for sharing all those pictures. I love seeing it from different angles.

Thank you so much!! I just want also the blue gown.
I want all costumes from Christine... Very Happy

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Post  Bunvendor on Sat Jan 21, 2012 10:24 pm

SweetChristine, your wedding dress is wonderful! You must be very proud of it. Very Happy
On the subject of costume replicas, has anyone replicated an aminta dress on the board?
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Post  operafantomet on Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:10 pm

thephanfullerton wrote:On the subject of costume replicas, has anyone replicated an aminta dress on the board?
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I made a replica in the autumn of 2008/spring of 2009 (I'm a slow worker...). It was worn to a very special Phantom performance in Copenhagen, where the theatre celebrated big style that my friend Josefine (phantomlove) had seen 100 performances of Phantom worldwide. We showed up in costumes, and in return we were allowed to play in the sets... Hahaha! We got some awesome photos that evening, and though my dress wasn't 100% finished they're still my favourite photos. I LOVE this one:



That's Danish Phantom Flemming Enevold kneeling to give roses to Josefine, in a replica of the blue Wishing dress. Next to Josefine is the real Christine, Teresia Bokor, in the wedding dress. And then there's me. Smile The picture was taken by Gunilla, another very talented costume maker, at Det Ny Teater in Copenhagen.

Yes, he was to give the roses to Josefine. He eventually did. I planned to stay out of the picture, but my attempt wasn't very successful as you can see...

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Re: Phantom costumes - real and replicas 1

Post  AlwaysChristine on Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:38 pm

thephanfullerton wrote:SweetChristine, your wedding dress is wonderful! You must be very proud of it. Very Happy
On the subject of costume replicas, has anyone replicated an aminta dress on the board?
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Thank you!!! I am very proud! It was my wish to marry in this dress!

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Post  operafantomet on Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:57 am

Sometimes... when I'm nerdy... I just look at these costumes and smile. Study the details. So much beauty.


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The slavegirl costume was worn by dancer and later Meg; Julie Collins (1992-95-ish)
The Star Princess skirt was worn by Colby Thomas (ditto).
The Wishing dress was worn by Renée Knapp (1990-92).

These costumes were all bought at the same charity auction, in Hamburg ca. 1996, as far as I've been able to recollect. The Slavegirl and Star Princess ones were bought by one person, and the blue Wishing gown one by another. They had both been involved in the Hamburg production of Phantom, though I think the auction was open to everyone. The blue dress later ended up on eBay, while the owner of the others contacted me directly cause she had understood I would beg, steal and borrow to just get one of the stars of the Star Princess skirt loved the Phantom costumes.

I really want to make a bodice for the Star Princess skirt, based on how the early Hamburg costumes looked. One that fits me, so I can wear the full outfit! The skirt makes me wanna dance, it's so fluffy and light.

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Post  operafantomet on Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:05 pm

And now for something completely different.... A new project I've worked on this weekend:



Anyone in the market for a Sylvian Glade costume? Trying to raise money for a Vegas trip here!

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Post  Guest on Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:25 pm

operafantomet wrote:
Anyone in the market for a Sylvian Glade costume? Trying to raise money for a Vegas trip here!

....in August/September.... Wink

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Post  operafantomet on Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:32 pm

phantomfett wrote:
operafantomet wrote:
Anyone in the market for a Sylvian Glade costume? Trying to raise money for a Vegas trip here!

....in August/September.... Wink
In spirit, at least!

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Post  operafantomet on Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:04 pm

Courtesy of Justin1976, I got an incredibly interesting article on Maria Bjørnson and POTO in the mail today. It's a 6-page piece from the September 1988 edition of "The Conoisseur". I'm adding much of the info to the design site ( http://potocostumes.webs.com/ ) as we speak, but I wanted to share some tidbits here.

*It was because of the sinking ship set in "the Tempest" Cameron Mackintosh approached Bjørnson to design POTO. Apparently the ship actually sunk on stage, and the stage was transformed into an island, and it was done in the seamless was Bjørnson became so well known for. The production was designed for The Royal Shakespeare Company in London in 1982, and is still seen as slightly legendary.
http://shakespeare.berkeley.edu/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=15972&g2_serialNumber=2

*Bjørnson felt it slightly intimidating but also very inspirational to work with theatre legend Hal Prince and composer success Andrew Lloyd Webber in a show. She said that "The more frightened I am, the better things to come. Then I really push myself".

*Hal Prince is described as having a strong visual sense, and a sophisticated one too. He apparently said one sentence to Maria Bjørnson which gave her the ideas she needed: "I hear the thud of heavy drapes, and I see dark Turkish corners".

*Hannibal is described as having a Phoenician setting. I wanna add that at least the slavemaster seems to be based on Assyrian statues and of the hero Gilgamesh.

*Previously Michael Crawford has described why he felt the Phantom should have a bit too short sleeves and even trousers. Maria Bjørnson shared the view - probably something they came up with together - "to draw attention to his hands and feet and give him a live-wire look". This explains why so many Phantoms is described as having "a hand thing"...

*Maria Bjørnson wanted to give the audience a feeling of something constantly happening offstage, or beyond the stage, or over the stage, to keep the audience alert. She wanted to suggest that there was more to the story than could be physically seen. This was something she learned from seeing a Zeffirelli production of "Don Giovanni" in Vienna.

*The Phantom's iconic half mask... now, THAT was an interesting piece of info. Quoting Bjørnson's British assistant Jonathan Allen: "We were agonizing over how the Phantom's mask should look. I reminded her of a hat she had once worn to fancy dress ball at the Lloyd Webbers' house. It covered one half of her face and one eye and crescendoed on the top of her head with a long feather. This became the basis for the mask she eventually designed. When she showed it to Hal, she remembered to say that I had reminded her of the hat". I'm so surprised this hasn't been mentioned elsewhere. Now I'm DYING to see that hat!


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Post  Bunvendor on Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:46 pm

operafantomet wrote:
thephanfullerton wrote:On the subject of costume replicas, has anyone replicated an aminta dress on the board?
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I made a replica in the autumn of 2008/spring of 2009 (I'm a slow worker...). It was worn to a very special Phantom performance in Copenhagen, where the theatre celebrated big style that my friend Josefine (phantomlove) had seen 100 performances of Phantom worldwide. We showed up in costumes, and in return we were allowed to play in the sets... Hahaha! We got some awesome photos that evening, and though my dress wasn't 100% finished they're still my favourite photos. I LOVE this one:



That's Danish Phantom Flemming Enevold kneeling to give roses to Josefine, in a replica of the blue Wishing dress. Next to Josefine is the real Christine, Teresia Bokor, in the wedding dress. And then there's me. Smile The picture was taken by Gunilla, another very talented costume maker, at Det Ny Teater in Copenhagen.

Yes, he was to give the roses to Josefine. He eventually did. I planned to stay out of the picture, but my attempt wasn't very successful as you can see...
That aminta dress is awesome!!! As is the picture! Enevold seems like such a nice man.
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Post  Phantom on a Budget on Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:12 pm

operafantomet wrote:
phantomfett wrote:
operafantomet wrote:
Anyone in the market for a Sylvian Glade costume? Trying to raise money for a Vegas trip here!

....in August/September.... Wink
In person, at least!
Fixed that for ya. Wink

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Post  operafantomet on Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:50 am

thephanfullerton wrote:That aminta dress is awesome!!! As is the picture! Enevold seems like such a nice man.
OG
I must admit I don't know him at all, but he is an awesome performer. I still regret missing out on his "Sweeney Todd" last year. He announced it was probably his last musical production, as it was the last dream role on his list. The Phantom and Jean Valjean was the others. Ach. But thank you for your very nice words!!

Phantom on a Budget, hahahaha, thanks for setting things straight there. Laughing

OK, Sylvian Glade progress. I'm working by the European and Aussie versions. They have more mint colour to them, which I of course loooove. As of now the bodice looks like this (though it's not as pale as in the picture):




I have looked a LOT at this German picture while making the bodice...

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Post  Guest on Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:04 am

Awesome clarification, Phantom on a Budget! Smile

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The Big Wig Company in UK

Post  Devon on Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:10 am

I'm not sure if anyone has found or posted about this company site before. Everytime I have Googled information on who does the wigs for POTO, particularly Christine Daae's wig, I have gotten NOWHERE. However, I was bored tonight and browsing my 25 year Royal Albert Hall brochure and found the name of The Big Wig Company in the back of the book. I guess they have supplied wigs for the show in the UK. So I Googled their name and sure enough, I found their website! Very exciting because as of yet, I was unable to find any other information. I found two pictures in their gallery of two different Christine's in makeup and hair. I am not sure if they work with individuals OR just theatrical companies (and I'm sure they are very very very expensive!) but thought I would share this with fellow costumers here on the board:

http://thebigwigs.co.uk/home/


I'm "wiggin out" here!! Had to make a bad joke...lol

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Post  operafantomet on Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:36 pm

Devon wrote:I'm not sure if anyone has found or posted about this company site before. Everytime I have Googled information on who does the wigs for POTO, particularly Christine Daae's wig, I have gotten NOWHERE. However, I was bored tonight and browsing my 25 year Royal Albert Hall brochure and found the name of The Big Wig Company in the back of the book. I guess they have supplied wigs for the show in the UK. So I Googled their name and sure enough, I found their website! Very exciting because as of yet, I was unable to find any other information. I found two pictures in their gallery of two different Christine's in makeup and hair. I am not sure if they work with individuals OR just theatrical companies (and I'm sure they are very very very expensive!) but thought I would share this with fellow costumers here on the board:

http://thebigwigs.co.uk/home/


I'm "wiggin out" here!! Had to make a bad joke...lol
Good find, Devon! If I'm not mistaken, all the Phantom production photos comes from a "house photographer" at Her Majesty's. His names escapes me right now. He also took the ones of Gina Beck (you know, the gorgeous ones!) and of Katie Hall. They're usually taken in the dressing room or in the large "ballroom" upstairs, and they have a distinctive style. I love his work.

Kudos on a really bad joke there. Laughing

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Post  Devon on Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:03 am

[/quote]Good find, Devon! If I'm not mistaken, all the Phantom production photos comes from a "house photographer" at Her Majesty's. His names escapes me right now. He also took the ones of Gina Beck (you know, the gorgeous ones!) and of Katie Hall. They're usually taken in the dressing room or in the large "ballroom" upstairs, and they have a distinctive style. I love his work.

Kudos on a really bad joke there. Laughing [/quote]

Glad you appreciated the horrible joke...haha
Yeah I was surprised and pleased to find the site! So the photographer you are talking about isn't listed in any of the brochures then? I can think of two but off hand their names escape me as well. Would have to pull out a brochure to take a look.......

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Post  AlwaysChristine on Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:15 am

I love all the costumes and I like your costumes operafantomet! Very Happy

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Post  Viscountess on Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:07 am

operafantomet wrote:
StrangerThanUDreamt wrote:Just curious, and dont phlame me lol; But has anyone seen a Phantom ala Love Never Dies costume done? Particularly I'd like to do his look in "beneath a moonless sky"
I know a girl is working on - or planned to recreate - Fleck's costume, but I haven't seen any other costume replicas from LND.

I went through my costume closet yesterday. So much unfinished stuff!

*The "Think of Me" scarf is only halfway painted and need fringes.

*The Triton costume needs stars and a belt. And golden wrist bands.

*The Aminta shawl needs embroidery. Lots of it.

*Wishing dress needs tons of bead embroidery on collar, cuffs and faux vest.

*The Wishing dress also needs a proper bustle, a modesty panel and minor decorations.

*The dressing gown needs new lace cuffs. I removed the others long ago, and kinda forgot about it...


After THAT is done I want to make loads of new things... A bodice for the authentic Star Princess costume from Hamburg... The Sylvian Glade costume... The Triange Girl!
TRIANGLE GIRL! I so need to get around to that costume some day. The more sewing I do, the more I realize it's just right up my alley in so many ways, especially construction-wise.

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Post  operafantomet on Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:17 am

Viscountess wrote:
operafantomet wrote:(...)

After THAT is done I want to make loads of new things... A bodice for the authentic Star Princess costume from Hamburg... The Sylvian Glade costume... The Triange Girl!
TRIANGLE GIRL! I so need to get around to that costume some day. The more sewing I do, the more I realize it's just right up my alley in so many ways, especially construction-wise.
The world needs more Triangle girls. Smile

There's been progress on the Sylvian Glade. The skirt now has three fluffy layers on the hem, all with different hem finishings. I've used 13 meters of fabric so far, and you can't tell at all. Neutral


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Post  Devon on Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:22 am

I can't wait to see more progress AND the finished results!

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Post  phantom10906 on Sun Feb 05, 2012 3:49 am

Does anyone remember the name of the museum that had an exhibit of costumes from musicals, specifically Phantom, in New York?

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Post  operafantomet on Sun Feb 05, 2012 8:38 am

phantom10906 wrote:Does anyone remember the name of the museum that had an exhibit of costumes from musicals, specifically Phantom, in New York?
Recently? There were one exhibiting the original (or early) Aminta costume, plus Red Death. It was NYC Public Library honouring women designing for the stage. Here:
http://australia.broadwayworld.com/printcolumn.cfm?id=36103

Times Square visitor center was also announced to have Broadway costumes on display - a Phantom mask and hat, and Carlotta's Prima Donna dress. But when I went there I was mighty disappointed. It wasn't the real deal. I think that went for all their musical theatre costumes.

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Post  operafantomet on Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:24 am

Stuff I've learned from studying tons of Sylvian Glade pictures:

The original costumes were feather light, with less fluff in the skirt and smaller drapes. Very nice flow to the skirts:



This is in large kept in the Japanese costumes, both original and recent:



Most other versions have tons and tons of fluff, so much it makes Piangi gasp:



Many versions have accenting colours in the underskirt, like Christine's Star Princess skirt:



There really isn't too big a difference on the versions from Europe, Australia and Canada:



However, the US ones are very different. Bolder colours, larger details, more lace:



The Danish/Swedish ones are wonderfully green - green skirt, green drapes, green "stomacher" and lacing.



The South American ones are more yellow in tone, and I think the only non-US one with lace trims:



The Aussie skirts are very glittering:



You can never have too many flowers:



And last, but not least, Neve Campbell wore this costume. That alone is a major selling point, right? Laughing


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