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Post  Melly on Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:48 am

Mmm for example, in english you would say: a blue chair, in french we would say: une chaise bleue (almost the same even if instead of "A" we have "un" or "une" for male/female - first example.)

In english you would say: A nice day, but we would not say Une journée bonne (wich litteraly means for you: a day nice), the adjective comes after the word. We would say: une bonne journée, with bonne/nice before journée/day. WHY?! I don't know!

In english when you have a rule it generally works for everything... in France the adjective can be before or after the word, it depends, there's no specific rule but "knowing the language" Razz

Oh and another example:

Je fais
Tu fais
Il/Elle fait
Nous faisons
Vous faites
Ils/Elles font

when in english you'd have:

I do
You do
He/She does (OGM this one is different! XD)
We do
You do
They do

So simple O_O

I still don't understand why my boyfriend keeps saying english is difficult to learn!

Sorry for the digression Smile

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Post  AlwaysChristine on Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:05 am

Melly wrote:Mmm for example, in english you would say: a blue chair, in french we would say: une chaise bleue (almost the same even if instead of "A" we have "un" or "une" for male/female - first example.)

In english you would say: A nice day, but we would not say Une journée bonne (wich litteraly means for you: a day nice), the adjective comes after the word. We would say: une bonne journée, with bonne/nice before journée/day. WHY?! I don't know!

In english when you have a rule it generally works for everything... in France the adjective can be before or after the word, it depends, there's no specific rule but "knowing the language" Razz

Oh and another example:

Je fais
Tu fais
Il/Elle fait
Nous faisons
Vous faites
Ils/Elles font

when in english you'd have:

I do
You do
He/She does (OGM this one is different! XD)
We do
You do
They do

So simple O_O

I still don't understand why my boyfriend keeps saying english is difficult to learn!

Sorry for the digression Smile

I know french is not easy to learn, but I like it.
Maybe we both can talk private a little bit in french because I want to refresh it.
The numbers also not so easy to learn and explain..!
There was I time I speak french perfect, but I lost it because I had no chance to talk or work with it.

Ok and again to the Palais Garnier: How often you were there?

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Re: Le Palais Garnier

Post  Melly on Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:06 am

If you need help with french, then, don't hesitate Wink

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Re: Le Palais Garnier

Post  AlwaysChristine on Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:12 am

Melly wrote:If you need help with french, then, don't hesitate Wink

Thank you very much! Very Happy
Do you know " Le Fantome de l´Opera" the title song sung by Robert Marien?
Or "Musique de la Nuit".
I want to translate it..

I have some musicals in french at home..

Do you think Phantom will be on stage in Paris one day?

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Re: Le Palais Garnier

Post  Melly on Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:18 am

I've got 2 different versions of the Phantom in french in my playlists (because of the canadian and french translation of the 2004 movie), and Yes I know the Robert Marien's version Very Happy

In France we have somme musicals, sometimes good but... it's rare. Les misérables is a french musical which has been translated. I'm really sad to see that we don't have it anymore in France since it keeps playings all over the world...

It would be wonderful to have a Phtanom here. But frenchs don't have the taste for good musical maybe? What a shame! T_T
Even if the phantom came here, it would be better to have it in original version Razz (even if french translations are not bad at all Smile)

I can't imagine the Phantom at the real Opera Garnier with the 8 tons chandelier falling down on the crowd haha! Twisted Evil

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Post  AlwaysChristine on Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:36 am

Melly wrote:I've got 2 different versions of the Phantom in french in my playlists (because of the canadian and french translation of the 2004 movie), and Yes I know the Robert Marien's version Very Happy

In France we have somme musicals, sometimes good but... it's rare. Les misérables is a french musical which has been translated. I'm really sad to see that we don't have it anymore in France since it keeps playings all over the world...

It would be wonderful to have a Phtanom here. But frenchs don't have the taste for good musical maybe? What a shame! T_T
Even if the phantom came here, it would be better to have it in original version Razz (even if french translations are not bad at all Smile)

I can't imagine the Phantom at the real Opera Garnier with the 8 tons chandelier falling down on the crowd haha! Twisted Evil

Yes I have also the translation from the movie in french.
And do you like Marien´s version?

I know that you have some musicals. Some I know.
I have Les Miserables in french as well.

I wish I could see the original Phantom some day in french. Maybe with a better translation.

Hihi, Phantom in the real Garnier Opera, funny!

I ordered now the book L´Opera de Charles Garnier Smile.

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Post  Melly on Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:56 pm

I'm not fond of the Marien's version since he uses some strange words! For example "Chantez comme moi ma Mie" means sing like me "ma mie", ma mie is a medieval word to say ma dame during the middle age O_o Very strange.

I don't even speak about some words that Christine pronounces in the Phantom of the Opera. "Sans cesse ce nom qu'il dit glisse t-il en moi"... Means almost nothing... It just rhymes... and as this phrase is almost stifled (not sure of the word in english, well, I mean we don't understand it very well) I first heard... something else which was PG18 ^^' VERY STRANGE... I was not the only one, my sister understood the same thing first... I won't say what but we were very surprised! Razz

Oh so many books about the Opera Garnier! Now that I'm not a student anymore, I should go back to the Opera Store and buy all the books which were forbidden to my little purse Very Happy

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Post  AlwaysChristine on Wed Feb 22, 2012 7:55 pm

Melly wrote:I'm not fond of the Marien's version since he uses some strange words! For example "Chantez comme moi ma Mie" means sing like me "ma mie", ma mie is a medieval word to say ma dame during the middle age O_o Very strange.

I don't even speak about some words that Christine pronounces in the Phantom of the Opera. "Sans cesse ce nom qu'il dit glisse t-il en moi"... Means almost nothing... It just rhymes... and as this phrase is almost stifled (not sure of the word in english, well, I mean we don't understand it very well) I first heard... something else which was PG18 ^^' VERY STRANGE... I was not the only one, my sister understood the same thing first... I won't say what but we were very surprised! Razz

Oh so many books about the Opera Garnier! Now that I'm not a student anymore, I should go back to the Opera Store and buy all the books which were forbidden to my little purse Very Happy

Ok it sounds better in french but the translation is not good. I understand what you mean!

Yes so many books from all! I hope I am soon in Paris at the Opera. I want it sooo.!

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Re: Le Palais Garnier

Post  AlwaysChristine on Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:50 am

Scorp wrote:
Now if only they would make such a book about the interior!

They already have; I highly recommend it:



It's by Gérard Fontaine and called L'Opéra de Charles Garnier : Architecture et décor intérieur. The photography is absolutely gorgeous. I own the French edition, but the Opera House does sell an English translation. You can buy the French one on Amazon.fr, not sure about the English one though.

Gérard Fontaine also wrote a book which is perhaps for relevant for Phantom enthusiasts called Le Fantasme de l'Opéra. In it, he includes an account of the chandelier counterweight incident (it's the same account that Le Figaro ran the day after in 1896), talks about the lake and how it was formed and also theorises that Erik was at least partly based on Charles Garnier (I'm not too convinced by his reasoning though -- e.g. Erik wrote Don Juan, and the subtitle of Molière's Dom Juan and I think Mozart's Don Giovanni is Le Festin de pierre, which Fontaine thinks hints at Garnier/architecture since "pierre" means stone). The Opera sells this book too.



What the Opera now sells that it didn't before is Charles Garnier's Le Nouvel Opéra. I haven't read it yet, but it's a must-read because it is written by Charles Garnier himself and apparently Leroux lifted whole passages from it in his descriptions of the Opera House.



I also really recommend this book:



It's called Opéra de Paris : un siècle au Palais Garnier. I bought my copy at the Opera House years ago, not sure if they still sell it. If you don't speak French, definitely buy it because it's dual language and is in English too. It contains several pages about the possible real-life basis of Leroux's story, including stuff about Nilsson and even rare stuff that I never see mentioned -- e.g. apparently the description of Buquet's death is taken from a real-life memoir of one of the managers which I keep meaning to get hold of but have not got round to doing.

Also, I like this book for its illustrations, it's for children but it's fun and the protagonist in this little story ends up going to the lake:



http://www.lesilencedelopera.com/ <-- you can see extracts from the book here.

There are more I like, but those are my favourites.

I recall reading somewhere that the gift shop's selection has been broadened considerably. Can anyone who has recently been there tell me what kind of merchandise they're selling? My sister will be in Paris early next month and I was going to ask her to swing by if something sparked my interest.

Yeah, they changed everything over the last year. I think it was last summer they did this. The entrance to the building is no longer via the front, which I think is unfortunate as you lose the impact of seeing the Grand Escalier in front of you (although I imagine they would still use this entrance for performances), but via the rue Scribe near the Charles Garnier monument. The gift shop has extended from where it was into another room on the side and it sells way more interesting things. There's a cool set of merchandise that features the Opéra de Paris logo and the names of several well-known operas, composers and even 'Le Fantôme de l'Opéra' -- pens, mugs, pads, bags etc. I bought the mug. Lots of expensive masks and if you are really rich you can pay almost 1000 € for a bust of Garnier!! Sadly a lot of the stuff is overpriced like this. But some interesting items, almost all theatre/ballet related, including a toy theatre for kids, but a bit too expensive I think. They were doing a promotion this summer that you'd get a free pack of Opéra de Paris playing cards with any purchase you make. Some Phantom novels are stocked too, including Leroux's (the current Livre de Poche edition with the awful Gerard and Emmy cover), The Canary Trainer and La Douleur du Fantôme. You can also buy the double CD of the phonographic records that Leroux mentions in his novel and which were recovered in 2007. I've bought it but haven't given it a listen yet.

This thread is for any and all discussion of the Palais Garnier: stories and pics of your visits to the Mecca of the Phandom, questions, etc.

Can't be bothered to post any pics right now but my most memorable experiences there were a) breaking into Box Five and, after 15 minutes, being joined by two English 'Phans' who turned out to be people I knew online (!) and b) seeing an opera there...I bought a cheap seat up in the gods and all I could see was the huge chandelier and hardly anything on the stage, but I didn't care! Alas, it wasn't Faust. I've broken into the upper levels a few times to take pics. I keep wanting to go down to the cellars -- every fan's dream -- but I've not managed it yet. Insanely jealous of those who have been down there though.

I must have all these books! I must see the opera!
Today my book L`Opera de Charles Garnier arrived and its sooo wonderful!

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Post  Melly on Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:58 am

I've got "Un siècle au palais Garnier" too. It's a short book but it's a good summary of the Opera in General. Constructon, Life at the Opera, the great singers, the legend of the Phantom, etc. It is easy and funny to read (there are many illustrations, which is very important for me, as an illustrator haha Very Happy)

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Post  AlwaysChristine on Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:59 am

Melly wrote:I've got "Un siècle au palais Garnier" too. It's a short book but it's a good summary of the Opera in General. Constructon, Life at the Opera, the great singers, the legend of the Phantom, etc. It is easy and funny to read (there are many illustrations, which is very important for me, as an illustrator haha Very Happy)

The Opera shop is not safe Wink.
I must have many things...but at first I must see Paris, must see France.

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Post  AlwaysChristine on Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:12 am

Some friend of mine was yesterday in the Opera. He was there, has seen a ballett and looked for box 5. He was very proud to be there.
I also want to be there...!

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Post  Scorp on Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:23 pm

Some great views of the roof and cellars of the Opera here: http://www.la-croix.com/Culture-Loisirs/Culture/Actualite/Le-Palais-Garnier-des-cimes-aux-abimes-_EG_-2012-07-18-832527

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Post  NightRachel on Tue Aug 14, 2012 12:16 pm

Thanks for the link, Scorp!

Those are some great shots from the Opera House! I esp like the one of the door to Box 5 (with the Phantom plaque on it). Very Happy

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Post  Phantom's angel on Fri Oct 26, 2012 7:09 pm

I was reading through this thread and was hoping to get more details from those who have traveled to Garnier.

I'll be taking a trip to Paris for three weeks in January and have the chance to write about a place in Paris of my choice which inspires me. I've clearly already made my decision to write about the Opera. I was hoping to get some ideas and tips of where to go, what to focus on, and if there are any ways of gaining access to the parts that may be off limits to the general public.

My French is very limited and I am even having to catch up on the little I remember in the mean-time. I'm also trying to teach myself anything else I can think of to not be a bother while I'm there (especially the currency!)

I have many other ideas and plans for this trip. I will be attending classes as well as tours of other monuments and museums, and also have plans for a weekend in London (to see Phantom, of course), but I would love a crash course so that I am not wandering aimlessly!

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Post  NightRachel on Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:32 pm

Hi Phantom's angel!

Well, I can tell you, when I visited the Palais Garnier (in July 2002), I took a group guided tour there (with an English-speaking tour guide) and it was great! Our tour guide was even nice enough to answer any Phantom-related questions we had. Smile
After the tour, there was time allowed for us to wander around the Opera House on our own, so that was nice too. I couldn't get into Box Five though b/c the door was locked. And of course we weren't allowed to go up to the roof or down into the cellars. Neutral

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Post  Phantom's angel on Tue Oct 30, 2012 4:44 pm

Thank you, NightRachel,

Is a tour expensive? and are you able to wander around without a tour? If you can wander without a tour, do you have to pay to get into the building? I'd like to spend as much time as possible, seeing as I will be writing about the building. I may be making multiple visits if necessary too.

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Post  NightRachel on Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:15 pm

Phantom's angel wrote:Thank you, NightRachel,

Is a tour expensive? and are you able to wander around without a tour? If you can wander without a tour, do you have to pay to get into the building? I'd like to spend as much time as possible, seeing as I will be writing about the building. I may be making multiple visits if necessary too.

Well, since it was back in 2002 when I was last there, I can't really say what prices are now there, what they charge...but from what I remember the tour was not expensive. And I think you can wander around there without taking a tour (but I'd recommend the tour because it's interesting). I don't think you have to pay just to get into the Opera House though. Oh yes, do make multiple visits there if you can (wish I could've done that, but I didn't have the time)! Smile

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Post  Raphael on Fri Nov 09, 2012 5:21 pm

When I first visited Paris in '93, I just wandered around the public-accessible areas of the opera house. If I ever have a chance to go back, I'd definitely take a guided tour.

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Post  Alyssa on Tue Nov 05, 2013 4:43 pm

Hello lovlies!

I was wondering if anyone could perhaps satisfy both the phangirl in me, as well as the apple fangirl in me. On rue Halévy, there is an Apple Store. According to google maps, its across the street from the Palais Garnier. Looking at the street view, Palais Garnier is RIGHT. ACROSS. THE. STREET.

But the view appears to be obstructed by a beige gate of some sort? I was wondering if anyone could inform me what this is obstruction is as well as if it is just temporary (It appears to be covering some of the street lights. So I'm wondering if it is for some construction of some sort.)

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Post  Scorp on Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:31 pm

You can now explore the Opéra virtually, including the rooftop and the underground lake! Link. Very Happy

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Re: Le Palais Garnier

Post  NightRachel on Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:52 pm

Scorp wrote:You can now explore the Opéra virtually, including the rooftop and the underground lake! Link. Very Happy

Awesome!
Thanks for sharing this link, Scorp!
Definitely going to check it out.  Smile 

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